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A bootstrapped B2B company that sells sales reps a single button: press it, wait, and a live human prospect is on the line — priced per dial, 50 million dials a year, run by 33 employees who own no engineering team.
~400 customers, roughly flat since 2019 · about $166K/month to the bottom line in 2019 and "a little bit better than that now" · bootstrapped, profitable, turned down the idea of a $250M sale
"ConnectAndSell Lightning is technology with humans on the inside. It acts and feels just like tech — you don't ever know that it's got people in it — but unlike things without people in it, it actually solves the problem, and it saves you about 85 percent of the money you'd spend doing it with people."
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Chris Beall did not found ConnectAndSell and did not come from sales. He was a software technologist when a former employee asked him to talk to Sean McLaren, the man he credits with making ConnectAndSell real. Five minutes into breakfast Beall said he was in. McLaren pointed out that he was not hiring. Beall's answer: this is a free country, you can choose to pay me, but I'm working for you now. He puts that at 2011. What the company sells is deliberately not software. A B2B sales rep pushes one button, waits, and ends up in a live conversation with someone on their list. Everything between the button and the conversation — the phone trees, the gatekeepers, the ninety-plus percent of dials that go nowhere — happens somewhere else, handled by roughly 500 people working inside the system. Beall calls the unit a "fully navigated dial" and prices it like electricity: about 95 cents each when you start, down toward 40 cents when you buy in volume, averaging around 50 cents across the book. At the time of this interview the company was doing about 50 million dials a year, roughly six million a month, for about 400 customers — the same customer count Nathan Latka had recorded in 2019. Multiply 50 million dials by the 50-cent average and you get the roughly $25 million run rate in the video's title. No venture capital, no board to answer to, 33 employees, and a stated refusal to sell for $250 million.
A dials-as-a-service business cannot be sold from a landing page, because the buyer has no way to picture what "ten times as many conversations" feels like until it happens to their own reps.
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“Uh we did about Well, we do about 50 million a year.”
2:01 · hear it in the video“…a year on your dev team for a software product doing 25 million bucks in run rate.”
10:49 · hear it in the videoData credibility: A founder interview on Nathan Latka's show. Every figure is Chris Beall's own or Latka's arithmetic on top of Beall's unit numbers — nothing is third-party verified. The ~$25M run rate is specifically Latka multiplying a ~50¢ average dial by ~50 million dials a year, with Beall responding "that's great" rather than confirming an audited number; Latka's own recollection of a ~$29M run rate two years earlier is also unverified. Profitability of ~$166K/month comes from a 2019 conversation, updated here only as "a little bit better than that now," and Beall volunteers that they do not track profitability closely. The Pune development cost is an explicit guess — he says $40K a month, then "it might be a bigger number than that, I don't know." The transcript is also internally inconsistent on the founding date: Beall says he joined in 2011, while Latka's closing voiceover says the company "launched back in 2014." Customer count (~400) and dial volume (~50 million a year) are founder-stated with no dashboard shown.
The first dollar in a consumption business like this arrives as a prepaid block, not a monthly plan.
The flywheel here is intensity, not logos, and Beall says so plainly: "We don't really grow that much in terms of customers, we kind of grow in the intensity of them. We're consumption based, and so the ones that are doing really well will consume more."
For a business priced per dial, the dead stretch is not the build — it is the gap between a pilot that went well and the volume commitment that never arrives. The buyer liked the hour, thanked everyone, and went quiet, because nobody inside their company has been made to own the number yet.
The core product is called ConnectAndSell Lightning, and the unit of sale is a "fully navigated dial." Beall's analogy is Uber: a rep does not have to do anything to talk to someone on their list except push a button and wait. Everything in between — dialling, navigating phone trees, getting past gatekeepers, absorbing the enormous majority of attempts that produce nothing — is done in the background and handed over only when a human being is actually on the line. The unusual part is what is doing the background work. "ConnectAndSell Lightning is technology with humans on the inside," Beall says. "It acts and feels just like tech — you don't ever know that it's got people in it — but unlike things without people in it, it actually solves the problem, and it saves you about 85 percent of the money you'd spend doing it with people." Roughly 500 people sit inside the system making it go. The second product is Flight School, a live-fire training programme: six people, four big sessions, $9,500 all in. Instead of sitting in a classroom, trainees talk to real prospects, set real meetings and generate real pipeline during the course. Beall says it had been sold as part of the platform for years before they decided to make it a standalone product. The buyer is any B2B sales organisation that wants to dominate its market — Beall's phrase is "curating dominance" — and he notes with some surprise that it works for some B2C sellers too.
Pricing is pure consumption. A dial starts around 95 cents, falls to about 40 cents at high volume, and averages roughly 50 cents because the book is weighted toward buyers purchasing millions at a time. At about 50 million dials a year, Latka's arithmetic on the call is 50 cents times 50 million, giving the roughly $25 million run rate Beall does not dispute. Latka also recalls the company at about a $29 million run rate a couple of years earlier, which Beall does not correct either — so this is a business that has been trading sideways in revenue while tripling nothing in headcount. Profitability was about $166,000 a month to the bottom line in 2019, and Beall says it is "a little bit better than that now," while adding that they do not track it closely because they can dial go-to-market and R&D spend up or down at will. There is no outside capital and no intention of taking any: "We don't like giving up control to people who don't know how to run companies." Asked whether he would sell the whole business for $250 million, he answers no in under a second. Growth expectations are candid rather than promotional — he says he is trying to double, then immediately hedges to "maybe get to 40" million, with Flight School as the intended engine. The other stated ambition is stranger and more interesting: embedding ConnectAndSell inside other companies' products, with "pipeline insurance" sold by a large insurance broker as the example.
The headline fact is that ConnectAndSell employs no engineers at all. Asked how many are on the team, Beall answers "none — yeah, whatsoever." All software development is done by Coditas in Pune, India, a firm his CTO Hitesh — an IIT Bombay double-degree graduate — helped bring into existence over a beer, and which Beall says is now 300-plus people. He guesses the whole development team costs around $40,000 a month, immediately admits it might be bigger, and says he does not pay attention because he pays attention to the top line. Latka does the maths out loud: even at $100,000 a month, that is $1.2 million a year of engineering against a $25 million run rate. The human layer inside the product is the other cost centre, and it is structured to scale without capital. There are 33 full-time employees in North America — Beall believes worldwide full-time headcount is also 33, with everyone else under some form of contract — and roughly 500 people working inside the system. "We've arranged to have zero capital required to grow that from 500 to a thousand to 2000 to 10,000," he says, which is the whole reason a consumption business can stay bootstrapped. Our read: this is a margin structure most SaaS companies cannot reproduce, because the variable cost sits inside the unit being sold rather than inside a fixed engineering payroll. It also explains the flat customer count. With no sales-heavy cost base to feed, nobody inside the company is under pressure to add logos for their own sake.
Copy the unit. Almost every sales tool on the market sells seats and then argues about whether anyone logged in; ConnectAndSell sells the thing the customer actually wants — a human being on the phone — and charges for each one delivered. That single decision makes the pricing conversation short, ties revenue to value received, and turns expansion into a usage report rather than an upsell campaign. Copy the ruthless outsourcing too: one CTO, a long-term development partner, and zero in-house engineers is a defensible choice when the product is an operational system rather than a novel piece of computer science. Change the middle layer. The 500 people navigating phone trees are exactly the work that voice AI now does at a fraction of the cost, and a 2026 version of this business would be built with automated navigation from day one and humans kept only where they still beat machines. That flips the economics: instead of arranging to scale a workforce from 500 to 10,000, you are buying telephony minutes and inference. Our read: the durable idea is not cold calling, it is "sell a delivered outcome, priced per unit, and hide the machinery." It ports cleanly to other queues where a person currently waits — insurance claims follow-up, collections, patient recalls, recruiting screens. Pick a vertical where a conversation is worth several hundred dollars, price your unit at a fraction of that, and let the customer's own maths close the deal. What not to copy is the flat logo count. Beall can afford customer growth of roughly zero because he already has 400 accounts and no investors; a new entrant with four accounts cannot.
The first risk is the one hiding inside the good news. Revenue is consumption, so it falls the moment customers cut SDR headcount or pause outbound, and Beall's own framing makes the dependency explicit — he says COVID was good for the business because a damaged economy makes buyers pay attention to capital efficiency. That tailwind runs both ways. The second is concentration and stagnation. About 400 customers, flat since 2019, with revenue weighted toward the accounts buying millions of dials, means a handful of departures can move the run rate by millions. Latka's recollection of a $29 million run rate a couple of years earlier, against roughly $25 million now, is consistent with a book that is already shrinking at the top even as intensity grows elsewhere. Third, the delivery model depends on cold phone calls being answerable. Carrier-level spam labelling, rising unanswered-call rates and tightening outbound rules attack the raw material directly, and a business paid per connected conversation absorbs that risk on behalf of its customers. Fourth, single points of failure. No in-house engineers at all means the product roadmap lives inside one Pune firm and one CTO relationship. Beall is 66 in this interview, still personally answers the phone for the market vision, and there is no succession discussion anywhere in the conversation. Our read: the honest failure mode is not collapse but slow flattening — a profitable, bootstrapped company that keeps making $166,000-plus a month while the market moves to AI voice agents that do the navigating for a tenth of the price. The $250 million he turned down may end up being the high-water mark.
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